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		<title>By: Bach_Furniture</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzwordbob.com/robotic-vacuum-cleaners-8/comment-page-1/#comment-2286</link>
		<dc:creator>Bach_Furniture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 09:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone tried one of those robotic vacuum cleaners?? I&#039;m so tempted to buy one so no need to manual vacuum anymore!</description>
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		<title>By: vacuumsstr</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Are Robotic Vacuum Cleaners</description>
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		<title>By: RobotVC</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobotVC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: RobotVC</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobotVC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 05:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trackvac...</description>
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		<title>By: superflat44</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, those robotic vacuum cleaners are going to be really efficient in the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, those robotic vacuum cleaners are going to be really efficient in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: superflat44</title>
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		<dc:creator>superflat44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 07:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, those robotic vacuum cleaners are going to be really efficient in the near future.</description>
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		<title>By: Obed Aguirre Hernandez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obed Aguirre Hernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think about that the world of computers and computer technology continues to evolve and change, many people, from science fiction writers and futurists to computer workers and ordinary users, have wondered what the future holds for the computer and related technologies. Many things have been pictured, from robots in the form of household servants to computers so small they can fit in a pocket. Indeed, some of these predicted inventions have already come to pass, with the introduction of PDA&#039;s and robotic vacuum cleaners.Beyond these innovations, however, there are likely to be many, many more. One of the most important areas of research in the world of computers is that of artificial intelligence. When many people think of artificial intelligence, they may picture fully aware machines, complete with emotions, and the problems that can arise from them. Even though this remains the goal of many artificial intelligence researchers, in fact artificial intelligence technology is already in place and already serving the needs of humans everywhere.One of the most powerful uses of artificial intelligence thus far is in the world of speech recognition. This powerful technology is already in place in call centers, banks, brokerage centers, insurance companies and other businesses throughout the world. While speech recognition is still imperfect, it has improved greatly in recent years, and in the future many routine, and even non-routine, phone calls and telephone inquiries may be handled completely without human intervention.Robot technology has also come a long way, but it still has a long way to go. Robots in the future are unlikely to take human form, expect in a few specialized applications. Instead, robots are likely to do a great deal of work that is simply too dangerous for humans to accomplish. From spaceflight applications to search and rescue, robots are likely to continue down the learning curve they have already entered, further enhancing human lives and providing valuable services for a fraction of the cost of today&#039;s robot helpers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think about that the world of computers and computer technology continues to evolve and change, many people, from science fiction writers and futurists to computer workers and ordinary users, have wondered what the future holds for the computer and related technologies. Many things have been pictured, from robots in the form of household servants to computers so small they can fit in a pocket. Indeed, some of these predicted inventions have already come to pass, with the introduction of PDA&#8217;s and robotic vacuum cleaners.Beyond these innovations, however, there are likely to be many, many more. One of the most important areas of research in the world of computers is that of artificial intelligence. When many people think of artificial intelligence, they may picture fully aware machines, complete with emotions, and the problems that can arise from them. Even though this remains the goal of many artificial intelligence researchers, in fact artificial intelligence technology is already in place and already serving the needs of humans everywhere.One of the most powerful uses of artificial intelligence thus far is in the world of speech recognition. This powerful technology is already in place in call centers, banks, brokerage centers, insurance companies and other businesses throughout the world. While speech recognition is still imperfect, it has improved greatly in recent years, and in the future many routine, and even non-routine, phone calls and telephone inquiries may be handled completely without human intervention.Robot technology has also come a long way, but it still has a long way to go. Robots in the future are unlikely to take human form, expect in a few specialized applications. Instead, robots are likely to do a great deal of work that is simply too dangerous for humans to accomplish. From spaceflight applications to search and rescue, robots are likely to continue down the learning curve they have already entered, further enhancing human lives and providing valuable services for a fraction of the cost of today&#8217;s robot helpers.</p>
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		<title>By: Alderson Warm-Fork</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alderson Warm-Fork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awais, I think what you are insisting on is the positive character of attributing consciousness - that it represents a sort of success, success in understanding a creature&#039;s actions by analogy with my own, success in &#039;empathising&#039; in some very broad sense. Having had this discussion I think you&#039;re right to do so. However, I still think the negative side, which my post focused on, is an important complement - the failure to understand things in a certain way. 

For example, you know those little robotic vacuum-cleaners that run around the floor? When you first look at them, they often seem like little animals, because you can sort of project mental explanations onto them: they&#039;re running around &#039;looking for&#039; dirt, then they bump into objects and run away, etc. But before long we realise that all their behaviour can be explained by a handful of rigidly applied rules programmed into them, and we don&#039;t think they&#039;re conscious.  

I think you admit something similar when you suggest that anthropomorphic gods are a result both of a positive tendency to understand things by analogy with ourselves, and also of &quot;lack of physical explanation&quot;. 

Re. the Turing test, I don&#039;t think this is a big issue, but I would say that there is a kind of movement there in the changing patterns of words on the screen - there&#039;s changes, and we ask ourselves &#039;what&#039;s producing those changes&#039;? 

So I guess what I&#039;m now thinking is that there&#039;s a sort of &#039;competition&#039; for the explanation of any given change/movement/event/behaviour by either a law-like &#039;physical&#039; explanation, or an analogy-with-myself &#039;conscious&#039; explanation. What about when neither is possible? I&#039;m not sure - maybe the idea of the &#039;beyond&#039;, the &#039;mysterious&#039;, is in some sense an intermediate concept between physical and mental? I do think though, this still leaves the same basic problem that I described: both forms of explanation are potentially very flexible - we can formulate and adopt the general principle that even things we cannot concretely explain in physical terms work in physical ways that we don&#039;t ye understand, and correspondingly we can suppose that even behaviours we don&#039;t understand (i.e. that make no sense) are still in fact the results of consciousness. Given that, their respective spheres seem potentially ill-defined - hence, the &#039;problem of consciousness&#039; in modern philosophy. 

&quot;Though the ancients had much to say about mental matters, it is less clear whether they had any specific concepts or concerns for what we now think of as consciousness.&quot;

This makes sense to me. Prior to Descartes, there wasn&#039;t this big idea that the physical and the mental are alien to each other, that water and rocks are to be explained in terms stripped of any suggestion of consciousness - one ancient philosopher (Heraclitus?) described atoms as being moved around by their mutual &#039;loves&#039; and &#039;hates&#039;. 

I&#039;m afraid I still don&#039;t feel you&#039;ve defined consciousness - for one thing, the two things you mention look different to me. I think a mongoose (or me when I&#039;m half-asleep?) has a first-person view on the world, and &#039;phenomenal consciousness&#039;, but hardly any self-awareness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awais, I think what you are insisting on is the positive character of attributing consciousness &#8211; that it represents a sort of success, success in understanding a creature&#039;s actions by analogy with my own, success in &#039;empathising&#039; in some very broad sense. Having had this discussion I think you&#039;re right to do so. However, I still think the negative side, which my post focused on, is an important complement &#8211; the failure to understand things in a certain way. </p>
<p>For example, you know those little robotic vacuum-cleaners that run around the floor? When you first look at them, they often seem like little animals, because you can sort of project mental explanations onto them: they&#039;re running around &#039;looking for&#039; dirt, then they bump into objects and run away, etc. But before long we realise that all their behaviour can be explained by a handful of rigidly applied rules programmed into them, and we don&#039;t think they&#039;re conscious.  </p>
<p>I think you admit something similar when you suggest that anthropomorphic gods are a result both of a positive tendency to understand things by analogy with ourselves, and also of &#8220;lack of physical explanation&#8221;. </p>
<p>Re. the Turing test, I don&#039;t think this is a big issue, but I would say that there is a kind of movement there in the changing patterns of words on the screen &#8211; there&#039;s changes, and we ask ourselves &#039;what&#039;s producing those changes&#039;? </p>
<p>So I guess what I&#039;m now thinking is that there&#039;s a sort of &#039;competition&#039; for the explanation of any given change/movement/event/behaviour by either a law-like &#039;physical&#039; explanation, or an analogy-with-myself &#039;conscious&#039; explanation. What about when neither is possible? I&#039;m not sure &#8211; maybe the idea of the &#039;beyond&#039;, the &#039;mysterious&#039;, is in some sense an intermediate concept between physical and mental? I do think though, this still leaves the same basic problem that I described: both forms of explanation are potentially very flexible &#8211; we can formulate and adopt the general principle that even things we cannot concretely explain in physical terms work in physical ways that we don&#039;t ye understand, and correspondingly we can suppose that even behaviours we don&#039;t understand (i.e. that make no sense) are still in fact the results of consciousness. Given that, their respective spheres seem potentially ill-defined &#8211; hence, the &#039;problem of consciousness&#039; in modern philosophy. </p>
<p>&#8220;Though the ancients had much to say about mental matters, it is less clear whether they had any specific concepts or concerns for what we now think of as consciousness.&#8221;</p>
<p>This makes sense to me. Prior to Descartes, there wasn&#039;t this big idea that the physical and the mental are alien to each other, that water and rocks are to be explained in terms stripped of any suggestion of consciousness &#8211; one ancient philosopher (Heraclitus?) described atoms as being moved around by their mutual &#039;loves&#039; and &#039;hates&#039;. </p>
<p>I&#039;m afraid I still don&#039;t feel you&#039;ve defined consciousness &#8211; for one thing, the two things you mention look different to me. I think a mongoose (or me when I&#039;m half-asleep?) has a first-person view on the world, and &#039;phenomenal consciousness&#039;, but hardly any self-awareness.</p>
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		<title>By: RobotVC</title>
		<link>http://www.buzzwordbob.com/robotic-vacuum-cleaners-8/comment-page-1/#comment-1008</link>
		<dc:creator>RobotVC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 16:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neato XV-11 All Floor...</description>
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		<title>By: saraswain</title>
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		<dc:creator>saraswain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you point out that &quot;consumers are quick to put robotic dogs and other animals into what are most likely unanticipated relations; usually by having these artificial organisms interact with the fleshly organisms they are supposed to be replacing; often to enormously humorous effect for the human observer  (and possibly occasionally for the animal)&quot; I can&#039;t help but think of the Roomba videos. See for example: 

There are countless videos featuring animals and Roombas: Roomba vs. Rabbit, Roomba vs. Cat, Roomba vs. Dog and so on (even babies!). Roombas are autonomous robotic vacuum cleaners that bear no resemblance to animals in shape or form.  And yet they are paired with animals to observe &quot;unanticipated relations&quot; (I think this speaks to the spectacular power of contingency that I mention in my post). Replacing the robotic dog for the roomba suggests that there is a desire to pair animals and machines (because machines are always animal-like?) more generally and I think that tells us more about human beings than non-human animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you point out that &#8220;consumers are quick to put robotic dogs and other animals into what are most likely unanticipated relations; usually by having these artificial organisms interact with the fleshly organisms they are supposed to be replacing; often to enormously humorous effect for the human observer  (and possibly occasionally for the animal)&#8221; I can&#039;t help but think of the Roomba videos. See for example: </p>
<p>There are countless videos featuring animals and Roombas: Roomba vs. Rabbit, Roomba vs. Cat, Roomba vs. Dog and so on (even babies!). Roombas are autonomous robotic vacuum cleaners that bear no resemblance to animals in shape or form.  And yet they are paired with animals to observe &#8220;unanticipated relations&#8221; (I think this speaks to the spectacular power of contingency that I mention in my post). Replacing the robotic dog for the roomba suggests that there is a desire to pair animals and machines (because machines are always animal-like?) more generally and I think that tells us more about human beings than non-human animals.</p>
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